TEAM 3 - Faldor / Lance / Owen W. / (Fig)

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Post by Lance » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:52 pm

Owen, you can go ahead and ignore all of that rigmarole I posted. If you start a new project with the avchd 1080p60 selected, go to the settings tab, select custom, change the timecode to the 1080 24p, change the aspect ratio if you want, and open the new project. When you pull the first clip into the sequence it'll ask if you want to change the sequence settings, keep the sequence settings. Ends up like this: https://youtu.be/zI2N31iE_pY You can chalk all of that other stuff up to me being a newbie. :roll:

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Post by Lance » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:25 am

...Then I look at it full screen. Never mind.

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Post by Lance » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:14 pm

Okay, for those of you following the comically tragic antics that are me stumbling my way through getting avchd 1080p60 to look decent at 24 fps, I have learned that my export to media settings were fuck all. I have remedied that issue and come to the conclusion, after being able to watch finalised video fit for human eyes side by side, that there is near negligible difference between dropping a 60p clip into a 24p sequence from the beginning and going through all of the trouble of interpreting at 24p and speeding it back up 250%. It may be slightly smoother, but not enough to matter. So yeah, the second method exported properly is the way to go. Here is an otherwise un-edited clip at 24p directly from avchd 1080p60 : https://youtu.be/AyYyoulBFEk

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Post by Faldor » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:31 am

Whilst it's certainly convenient to just set the camera to 24p, I can't help but miss this kind of experimentation ;)

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Post by Chad Peter » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:29 pm

Maybe I glossed over something important in this thread, but I seem to remember 1080p60 being the format that "Apocalypse, CA" was shot in (actually it was 720p60), but the "60" didn't count for fps. There was a separate option within the camera to set it to 24fps recording (at 1080p60). I can't imagine there's a camera on the market that shoots ONLY 60fps. That would seem... silly.

*yeah, pretty sure I missed something in this thread*

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Post by Chad Peter » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:30 pm

What model of camera is it, Lance?

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Post by Lance » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:00 pm

Chad Peter wrote:What model of camera is it, Lance?

It's a Panasonic hc-v201. You actually didn't miss it, there was a PM conversation that started it all. This is far from a pro-sumer quality camera but it tries ( good quality video/ manual focus, iris, and shutter controls) My format options are: avchd 1080p60 / 1080i60 ha,hg,he / iframe 960x540p / mp4 640x360p. I have scoured the settings looking for some way to adjust the frame rate on the camera but it just doesn't seem to exist. It is stupid. It doesn't even have a setting for 720p. I will make it work though, until I can invest in a real camera. I am looking into borrowing/renting a more suitable camera for the shooting phase, I have a professional photographer friend who most likely has a DSLR that she would be willing to lend/rent for a spell. I am determined to make this work. I also have a portable digital recorder on the way and I am eyeing a shotgun microphone.

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Post by Lance » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:16 am

Chad Peter wrote:Maybe I glossed over something important in this thread, but I seem to remember 1080p60 being the format that "Apocalypse, CA" was shot in (actually it was 720p60), but the "60" didn't count for fps. There was a separate option within the camera to set it to 24fps recording (at 1080p60). I can't imagine there's a camera on the market that shoots ONLY 60fps. That would seem... silly.

*yeah, pretty sure I missed something in this thread*
This was all sparked when I sent some test footage to Owen and he asked if I could shoot 24fps. I took it upon myself to figure out how to get the footage from 60 down to 24 without turning it all choppy from the dropped frames in an effort to help Owen not have to deal with my shortcomings. There has been much fumbling.

You'll know better than me but, my understanding is this: 60p, 30p, 24p, 23.976p, ect... refer to the frame rate settings on cameras or hertz on blu-ray and tv. 1080 progressive 60 (p) is a true 60fps whereas 1080 interlaced 60 (i) is two 30fps channels interlaced. Keep in mind I've only been doing this for a little over a month now so I'm under no delusion that I have a clue, I will differ to whatever expertise anyone feels obliged to share. What I've learned is If I take my p60 footage and interpret it in premier at 24fps I get really nice slow motion clip. When I drop my 1080p60 footage into a 1080p24 sequence it goes from around 1700 frames down to around 800 and takes less clicks of the arrow to get to the same frame in the 24p sequence than it does in the 60p sequence. I like the 1080p60 footage but it doesn't have that cinematic look to it. It's to crisp and feels off. Of course that could also just be the camera not having any settings that would allow me to shoot flat, or my incompetence. Either way I can't shoot at 24fps with the camera I have so, I'm working around the problem until I can possibly secure another camera to shoot this with. It's also just nice to know that I can turn a 1080p60 clip into a 1080p24 and be happy with the outcome. *slams head on desk.

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Post by Lance » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:42 pm

Update on the project: Martin has been bogged down at work so I'm waiting on a script revision. Nothing further to report. ;)

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Post by Lance » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:11 am

Ok, I lied, I do have a little coin to invest in a DSLR maybe. I know it's not the arrow, it's the indian, but it helps if the arrow isn't bent to begin with.

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Post by Lance » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:39 pm

Yeah, pulled the trigger and bought a barely used (at least that's how it's described with pictures to back it up) Nikon D5100. Same size sensor as the D7000, shoots 1080p24, and is a decent camera to boot. If I can swing it I'll pick up a 50mm 1.4 or 1.8 lens but I need a microphone, and maybe a stabilizer if I'm not going to have it on a tripod for every shot, first.

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Post by Chad Peter » Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:37 pm

Haha, that's awesome, Lance. NP2k: breaking peoples' wallets since day zero.

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Post by Lance » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:39 pm

Chad Peter wrote:Haha, that's awesome, Lance. NP2k: breaking peoples' wallets since day zero.
Nah, you can't make me buy anything I don't want to.

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Post by Chad Peter » Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:07 pm

Lance wrote:
Chad Peter wrote:Haha, that's awesome, Lance. NP2k: breaking peoples' wallets since day zero.
Nah, you can't make me buy anything I don't want to.
BUY IT ALLLLLL

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Post by Lance » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:18 pm

Chad Peter wrote:
BUY IT ALLLLLL
*Slowly pulls out wallet

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Post by Owen Ward » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:00 pm

Don't sweat it too much on trying to find a 24fps solution. I think your first try was pretty good and should work nicely for this thing.

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Post by Lance » Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:44 pm

Owen Ward wrote:Don't sweat it too much on trying to find a 24fps solution. I think your first try was pretty good and should work nicely for this thing.
Too late. ;)

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Post by Lance » Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:06 pm

So I've had this Nikon D5100 for a whole day now, which makes me an expert in all things film. Really though, I love this thing. The ability to control and lock the aperture and set the shutter manually is fucking genius. Even have my custom "Flat Cinema" setting all locked in and test footage ready to get onto my computer and play. We have reached full panty saturation. Aaaand submit.

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Post by Chad Peter » Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:20 pm

Lance wrote:So I've had this Nikon D5100 for a whole day now, which makes me an expert in all things film. Really though, I love this thing. The ability to control and lock the aperture and set the shutter manually is fucking genius. Even have my custom "Flat Cinema" setting all locked in and test footage ready to get onto my computer and play. We have reached full panty saturation. Aaaand submit.
Hahaha, this is so awesome.

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Post by Lance » Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:12 pm

Update: I am very near ready to begin shooting. I will be shooting on a Nikon D5100 w/ tripod, stabilizer, sheer will, and a vision. Audio will be recorded on a Tascam DR-05 WAV @ 48K through a BOYA by-pvm1000. Weather and schedules providing, I should be able to start shooting withing the next few weeks.

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