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Bond 25

Post by Mike » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:52 pm

A thread regaling us with the rumor and speculation surrounding the various Bond 25 announcements. A few of the posters work within industry, so it's an interesting read from a film production view, especially in the sprawling Bond franchise. 4,920 posts starting in May 2017...

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Re: Bond 25

Post by Faldor » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:07 am

I love the Bond films but I'm definitely feeling more reserved about "Shatterhand" after the lacklustre Spectre. I like Craig as Bond and I'm glad he's getting one more outing. His tenure has certainly been mixed with two outstanding films and two definitively mediocre. I thought both "Casino Royale" and "Skyfall" were two of the strongest films in the franchise. "Quantum of Solace" and "Spectre" whilst much stronger entries then your "View To A Kill" or your "The World Is Not Enough" were also not particularly memorable.

Spectre really dropped the ball by trying to force an unneeded closer relationship between Bond and Blofeld and committed the cinematic sin of making it perfectly obvious they would be using a returning character for the villain whilst in the tradition of Star Trek Into Darkness and Doctor Who before them spent the whole publicity run denying it.

I would love it if Daniel Craig could go a whole film without accidentally going a bit rogue or disobeying orders. The last time a film simply had Bond go into M's office received an assignment and go off on a mission was tomorrow never dies in 1997.

One thing I hope they can carry over to whoever is next to pick up the 007 mantle is the casting of Craig, he had done some indie films and been in that Tomb Raider movie but he was hardly a known name. Just because someone has appeared in a tuxedo playing a spy, does not qualify them to be James Bond.

I also find the amount of speculation amusing as the production has a film to make and I doubt they will be giving any serious consideration to the next actor until it is completed.

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Re: Bond 25

Post by Mike » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:46 am

I think "Shatterhand" could be brilliant, but it's more likely to be predictable. If the studio is going with a reasonably faithful rendition of "You Only Live Twice" (novel) - Bond is after Blofeld in The Garden of Death - coupled with elements of "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" - Irma Bunt kills Madeline Swann - and then wraps with the ending / beginning of "You Only Live Twice" / "The Man with the Golden Gun" - Bond has amnesia, disappears for awhile and is presumed dead, then shows up to kill M - that could be a tight thriller.

Given that most have these have been used, in one form or another (even down to stunts like Bond fighting Red Grant / Mr. Hinx on the train), I'd bet that the studio is more likely to fuck it up. Especially, as you pointed out, after "Spectre" which would have been a travesty even in the Moore era. Blofeld's backstory is completely ridiculous and I normally don't find anything off-putting in a suspension-of-belief. Going back to stand-alone films is an excellent idea, especially since the novels are self-contained in the 1950's Cold War but the films pretty much have to reflect the current mood of the times and there's an entire generation that's never seen James Bond as anyone but Daniel Craig.

They next Bond? It likely doesn't matter...each Bond brought something else to the table. Connery was Connery, Moore was Moore, Brosnan was Brosnan...etc. Though Bond having amnesia at the end of "Shatterhand" would be a clean way to introduce the next Bond, and certainly better than having Bond killed as he allegedly was in the first script. Casting Craig after "Layer Cake" was brilliant.

I wonder if the next Bond is going to be picked before or after the next script is written?

Having any spy flick nowadays that didn't involve a rogue agent, good guy or bad guy, would be refreshing. Between Bond, Mission Impossible, and The Bourne trilogy, those plots have been more than played out.
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Re: Bond 25

Post by Mike » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:03 am

Related note: I hope the score for "Shatterhand" is as strong as they were for "Quantum of Solace" (composer David Arnold) and "Skyfall" (Thomas Newman). I'm getting a lot more mileage out of the music than I have the actual films.
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Re: Bond 25

Post by Faldor » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:49 am

I'm not really one to listen to scores but I would like for David Arnold to do another one. He usually had a good knack for title songs too.

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Re: Bond 25

Post by Chad Peter » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:06 pm

Mike wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:46 am
Having any spy flick nowadays that didn't involve a rogue agent, good guy or bad guy, would be refreshing. Between Bond, Mission Impossible, and The Bourne trilogy, those plots have been more than played out.
Indeed. Looking forward to someone injecting something new to the genre - that will probably be dictated by a leap of faith from a production company - but unlikely to happen unless someone on the level of Tarantino comes along to change things up. Not that that's necessarily a good thing - Look at how Abrams came along to change Trek. Now it's a completely different beast entirely.

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Re: Bond 25

Post by Mike » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:23 am

"Idris Elba Just Explained Why Playing James Bond Is a Bad Idea"

"Bond is one of the biggest franchises in the world, and for that reason, whoever ends up playing it, lives it," he told the journalist Craig McLean. "You’re THAT character, and known as that character for many, many years. I’m creating characters now that can still live alongside Idris. Not ones that take over me and solely define me."

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Re: Bond 25

Post by Chad Peter » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:03 pm

haha, well he's not wrong. That much is certain.

Also - that article hints that Richard Madden is being rumored as the next Bond. Hoping they avoid that.

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Re: Bond 25

Post by Faldor » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:57 am

I feel bad for Idris, he never went after the role. The press just started asking him when he was going to be Bond. I do find a lot of the speculation ridiculous as I doubt that got so far as reaching out to anyone with Craig signed on for another film and now that's in production I wouldn't expect casting on a 26th film to begin until after the 25th is released.

I'd actually like to see them go with someone younger next time, maybe late twenties. You know so that in fourteen years time when they've made seven films they will be 45, which according to the novels is the mandatory retirement age for double-0's.
Chad Peter wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:06 pm
Indeed. Looking forward to someone injecting something new to the genre
Shame they didn't do a follow up to Tinker Trailor Soldier Spy.

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Re: Bond 25

Post by Chad Peter » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:50 pm

Faldor wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:57 am
Shame they didn't do a follow up to Tinker Trailor Soldier Spy.
Would it have spelled-out the first movie?

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